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The Nature of the Mass and the need for Sacrifice
walkinginthedesert ^ | Arturo

Posted on 11/08/2014 8:35:21 PM PST by walkinginthedesert

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The natural law requires sacrifice

In the first place it is to be seen that the Natural Law requires us to sacrifice. Saint Thomas states in the first place that there are three main types of laws. There is first and foremost human laws (positive laws), there is the Natural Law, and lastly there is the Divine and Eternal laws. It is precisely the Natural Law that we will focus in for this specific article. The natural law is basically the “structure which God creates in man so that he inclines man to specific types of actions. He designs man to perform specific types of acts. He designs him in a specific way”1

The Church states with Saint Thomas Aquinas that we are bound to follow the Natural Law. One of the aspects of the natural law is precisely that it commands all of the virtues. One of these virtues is precisely that of sacrifice. Saint Thomas further states that sacrifice is itself the highest act of religion. “Sacrifice is defined as an offering of some good thing back to God. This can include a merit or some sort of good work which we perform and offer back to God”2

The need for Divine Revelation

Once we realize that sacrifice is necessary and that God obliges us to do it, the question that should come up is, how and what does God want us to sacrifice? It is after all only through Divine Revelation that we can know what sacrifices are pleasing to God. Fr. Chad Ripperger gives a very good analogy regarding the problems we would have regarding performing sacrifices, without the help of Divine Revelation. Without Divine Revelation we would not know what the nature of God is, and thus we would not be able to know what sort of sacrifices please him, as well as which sacrifices displease him. Fr Chad Ripperger states that without the help of Divine Revelation “this is tantamount to going to someone’s house for the first time and they don’t know you, but when you arrive, they presume to make all sorts of assumptions about you; for dinner we are going to have brain and squid intestines because they think that is what you like.”3 With these types of assumptions about God, we will surely offend God by offering false sacrifices, which he never liked or willed.

In the Old Testament God gave very precise and strict instructions on how sacrifices were to be done. This is true in regards to Exodus all the way through Deuteronomy. In the New Testament Jesus himself states “do this in commemoration of me”. (Lk 22:19)

A short history of sacrifice: The reality of the necessity of Divine Revelation

Cardinal Gibbons states “We find sacrifices existing not only among the Jews, who worshiped the true God, but also among pagan and idolatrous nations. No matter how confused, imperfect or erroneous was their knowledge of the Deity, the pagan nations retained sufficient vestiges of primitive tradition to admonish them of their obligation of appeasing the anger and involving the blessings of the Divinity by victims and sacrifices.”4

Throughout history man usually tends to have a desire to offer sacrifice to God. This is true of the Pagan world such as the Aztecs, the civilization of Carthage, and various tribes in the Middle East, yet they were not precisely what God wanted. God did not reveal himself to them. So many of these cultures for example practiced things such as human sacrifice, and various other types of sacrifice that failed in some way from what God really wanted. These sacrifices were displeasing to God. An example of such abominable practices of sacrifices is found in Jeremias:

Because they have forsaken me, and have profaned this place: and have sacrificed therein to strange gods, whom neither they nor their fathers knew, nor the kings of Juda: and they have filled this place with the blood of innocents. And they have built the high places of Baal, to burn their children with fire for a holocaust to Baal: which I did not command, nor speak of, neither did it once come into my mind. (Jeremiah 19:5)Sacrifices in Biblical Judaism

Throughout the Old Testament the chosen people of God are always offering sacrifice to Him. This is true as early as Cain and able. Able offered to the Lord the firstlings of his flock, while Cain offered of the fruits of the earth. Later “when Noe and his family are rescued from the deluge which had spread over the face of the earth, his first act on issuing from the ark, when the waters disappeared, is to offer holocausts to the Lord, in thanksgiving for his preservation (Gen 8). Abraham the great father of the Jewish himself offered victims to the Almighty at His request (Gen 15). We even read that Job was accustomed to offer holocaust and sacrifice to the Lord to propitiate His favor. God is very concrete and explicit in how he wants the Jewish to offer sacrifices in the book of Exodus.

The sacrifice at Calvary and the Mass

It is precisely the Holy Sacrifice at Calvary which constitutes the perfect and eternal sacrifice which could ever be offered up. It is in this specific moment in which our redemption is brought about, and which the submit of Salvation History reaches its climax. It is this precise sacrifice that fulfilled all the Old Testament Sacrifices.

Many Protestants thus while acknowledging both the reality regarding the perfection of the Sacrifice at Calvary, and also acknowledging the reality that Christ abolished the Old Testament sacrifices of the Jews, end up at a false conclusion. They conclude that because the Sacrifice of Calvary is perfect and because it is thus the fulfillment of all the Old Testament sacrifices, that Christ himself abolished the need for any more sacrifices. This is clearly not true. We should thus ask ourselves, did God in rejecting the Jewish oblations (sacrifices) or even in fulfilling them, deem or intend to abolish all sacrifices altogether? Rather Christ rejected and even fulfilled the Old Testament sacrifices, namely because they were simply types or prefigurements for the perfect sacrifice of God Himself, which we commemorate in a real way in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

This then leads us to one of the main aspects of the Mass, namely that it is the same sacrifice as that of Calvary.

The Mass the same sacrifice as Calvary

In the Sacrifice of the Mass, Christ’s Sacrifice on the Cross is made present, its memory is celebrated, and its saving power is applied. (De Fide)
The Catechism of the Council of Trent states the reality of the Mass being the same sacrifice as that of Calvary. It is only the form that is different, where one is a bloody sacrifice, the other is done in an unbloody way, but the sacrifice is still completely the same:

We therefore confess that the Sacrifice of the Mass is and ought to be considered one and the same Sacrifice as that of the Cross, for the victim is one and the same, namely, Christ Our Lord, who offered Himself, once only, a bloody Sacrifice on the altar of the Cross. The bloody and unbloody victim are not two, but one victim only, whose sacrifice is daily renewed in the Eucharist, in obedience to the command of Our Lord; Do this for a commemoration of me5 The same Catechism further states that just as Christ was the one offering himself up at Calvary, the same Christ offers Himself up at each Mass through the priest who acts in persona Christi:

The Priest is also one and the same, Christ the Lord; for the minister who offers Sacrifice, consecrate the holy mysteries, not in their person, but in that of Christ, as the words of Consecration itself show, for the priest does not say: This is the body of Christ, but, This is My Body, and thus acting in the Person of Christ the Lord, he changes the substance of the bread and wine into the true substance of His Body and Blood6

For this reason it is completely false to believe as many Protestants do, that we somehow "re-sacrifice" Christ at each Mass. Rather we simply offer up the same sacrifice at Calvary, which is re-presented in a real and literal way during the Mass. The Sacrifice at Calvary was so perfect, that it is Eternal and with no end. The Mass as the perfect prayer

Another aspect of the Mass is that just as it is the perfect sacrifice (since it is the same sacrifice as that of Calvary, which is perfect), the Mass is also the perfect prayer of the Church. This is why Pope Saint Pius X stated so explicitly:

The Holy Mass is a prayer itself, even the highest prayer that exists. It is the Sacrifice dedicated by our Redeemer at the Cross, and repeated every day on the Altar. If you wish to hear Mass as it should be heard, you must follow with eye, heart and mouth all that happens at the Altar. Further, you must pray with the Priest the holy words said by him in the Name of Christ and which Christ says by him. You have to associate your heart with the holy feelings which are contained in these words and in this manner you ought to follow all that happens on the Altar. When acting in this way you have prayed Holy Mass.”

“Don’t pray at Holy Mass, but pray the Holy Mass" This is why it is very reasonable that the “active participation” in the liturgy which the Council Fathers of Vatican II had in mind, did not necessarily involve what has come to be “the clericalization of the laity” in which in order to actively participate in the liturgy, you are almost obliged to do some type of Church ministry. This includes being an Extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, a lecturer, and various other things. Rather an active participation is nothing other than following along and uniting your prayers with that of the Priest who is celebrating the Mass. It involves uniting your prayers with the priest at the scene of Calvary which is what is being literally and really being made present. The Mass should thus be one of constant meditation and of interior participation in the Mass and not so much exterior activity. There is a due reverent silence that is given at Mass.

The Various Effects of Mass

Fr. Chad Ripperger states “Because Mass is itself the same sacrifice at Calvary which is made presented to us in the Mass, it is the font of all graces. Redemption and the obliteration of sin was the result of the Holy Sacrifice at Calvary. The same thing happens during each Mass that we attend, it is as if Christ’s blood was being shed again and being offered up, but this time in an un-bloody way, yet the same graces are granted.”7

It is precisely because the Mass is the same sacrifice as that of Calvary, that it has many effects that come whenever a Mass is celebrated and whenever we ourselves attend it.

The Mass itself gives us the opportunity for Holy Communion. “each sacrament according to the Church has specific effects that are proper to that sacrament. This is what is known as sacramental graces. Each sacrament gives us specific graces which allows us to achieve the finality in which that sacrament is directed towards”8 In the case of the Mass we receive Holy Communion. Just as we get nurtured and remain healthy when we receive natural food, Holy Communion we feed on the supernatural food that is Christ’s body, we are thus less vulnerable to fall into Mortal and Venial Sin.

When we go to Mass we receive the same effects as that of Calvary. That means that we receive redemption, but we also grow in virtue. When we are attending Mass, we have the freedom for praying and petitioning God for the various virtues which we lack in. The prayers of Mass also help cleanse us from all venial sin.

Mass itself also provides an orientation for the rest of the day. It helps organize the rest of the day, reminding us what saint Ignatius of Loyola would call “Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam” which is Latin for “For the Greater Glory of God”. The reason why the Mass helps orientate our day towards God Himself is precisely that the Mass is Christ/God centered (or at least it should be). For it is God who we are offering sacrifice to. This is why I love the action that is done in several parishes, such as those which offer the Tridentine Mass or “Extraordinary Form” of the Mass. They practice what is known as Ad Orientem worship. The priest faces the East. The priest faces the altar, the same direction as the congregation. This is a sign that the whole ecclesiastical community (The Church) is offering the same sacrifice to the same and Almighty God. It is one of syncretism and orientation towards the True God who is being offered sacrifice.

A Modern rejection of Sacrifice

One main reason why modern society rejects a notion of sacrifice is describe by the fact that the reality of suffering is almost forgotten. "technology has made our lives so simple and easy, and thus hard to ignore the difficult things. Similarly people say “well if we are to offer a good thing back to God, then why should I offer something such as my suffering. The fact of the matter is that by offering it, it is a call to the virtue of sacrifice. It is not so much that the person suffers aimlessly. One of the virtues of Christ dying on the Holy Sacrifice at Calvary, is that it adds merits to our sufferings, which without it, our sufferings are vain."8 Sacrifice is itself as Saint Thomas Aquinas calls “the highest act of religion”. This is why the modern rejection of sacrifice is a sad reality. If we do not offer proper and due sacrifice to God, then we have nothing to show for ourselves. In our own particular judgement would priests be able to present God the various Masses they celebrated and offered up? Or would laypersons be able to present to God the various means which we could have offered up as sacrifice? This could include the various Masses we attended, or it could simply be the daily struggles and sufferings we encountered. Whatever the case may be, the reality is that God Himself desires sacrifice, and the perfect of these is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It is this sacrifice alone, that is perfect, just as the Crucifixion at Calvary was perfect.


notes:

1)Fr. Chad Ripperger "Talk given on Sacrifice in the Mass" 2) ibid 3)ibid 4)James Cardinal Gibbons "The Faith of Our Fathers, Tan Books 1876, pg. 266" 5)The Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent pg. 275 6)ibid 7)Fr. Chad Ripperger "Talk given on "Frequent Mass and Confession" 8)ibid 9)Ripperger "op cit. Sacrifice in the Mass"


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1 posted on 11/08/2014 8:35:21 PM PST by walkinginthedesert
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Thank you for posting this.


2 posted on 11/08/2014 9:00:16 PM PST by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read ALL of Deuteronomy 28, then read his Farewell Address)
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Ditto Slyfox.
Thank you.
3 posted on 11/08/2014 9:16:34 PM PST by cloudmountain
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Very good article; thank you. In regard to "sacrifice," I like what Fr. O'Sullivan has to say:
"Many persons urge that they have not time to go to Mass every day. I am afraid in the vast majority of cases this is a mere excuse. They have time to read the newspapers, time to visit their friends, time to amuse themselves, to go to places of public entertainment, to spend, perhaps, hours together in useless or idle conversation, and yet, they say, they have not time to give one half-hour in the day to what is immeasurably the most important occupation it could possibly be devoted to!" -Fr. Paul O'Sullivan
For Mass times, adoration chapel locations, please see this link (and start sacrificing:)): adorationrocks
4 posted on 11/08/2014 9:22:01 PM PST by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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5 posted on 11/08/2014 9:51:48 PM PST by GOP Poet
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“The Catechism of the Council of Trent states the reality of the Mass being the same sacrifice as that of Calvary. It is only the form that is different, where one is a bloody sacrifice, the other is done in an unbloody way, but the sacrifice is still completely the same:”

Absolutely not the same not even close:

Hebrews 9:2 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

“Many Protestants thus while acknowledging both the reality regarding the perfection of the Sacrifice at Calvary, and also acknowledging the reality that Christ abolished the Old Testament sacrifices of the Jews, end up at a false conclusion. They conclude that because the Sacrifice of Calvary is perfect and because it is thus the fulfillment of all the Old Testament sacrifices, that Christ himself abolished the need for any more sacrifices. This is clearly not true. We should thus ask ourselves, did God in rejecting the Jewish oblations (sacrifices) or even in fulfilling them, deem or intend to abolish all sacrifices altogether? Rather Christ rejected and even fulfilled the Old Testament sacrifices, namely because they were simply types or prefigurements for the perfect sacrifice of God Himself, which we commemorate in a real way in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.”

I know us pesky Bible readers always using the Bible to define the Worship of God.

Hebrews 10:8-9 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

8 When he said above, “Thou hast neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Lo, I have come to do thy will.” He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.

1 Samuel 15:22 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

22 And Samuel said,

“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
as in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Hosea 6:6 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice,
the knowledge of God, rather than burnt offerings.

Psalm 51:16-17 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

16 For thou hast no delight in sacrifice;
were I to give a burnt offering, thou wouldst not be pleased.
17 The sacrifice acceptable to God[a] is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Footnotes: Psalm 51:17 Or My sacrifice, O God

It is your lack of Faith that is causing you to do the works of the Flesh instead of trusting in the Father and His Christ our Savior for your Salvation.


6 posted on 11/08/2014 9:57:43 PM PST by mrobisr
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Many Protestants thus while acknowledging both the reality regarding the perfection of the Sacrifice at Calvary, and also acknowledging the reality that Christ abolished the Old Testament sacrifices of the Jews, end up at a false conclusion. They conclude that because the Sacrifice of Calvary is perfect and because it is thus the fulfillment of all the Old Testament sacrifices, that Christ himself abolished the need for any more sacrifices. This is clearly not true. We should thus ask ourselves, did God in rejecting the Jewish oblations (sacrifices) or even in fulfilling them, deem or intend to abolish all sacrifices altogether? Rather Christ rejected and even fulfilled the Old Testament sacrifices, namely because they were simply types or prefigurements for the perfect sacrifice of God Himself, which we commemorate in a real way in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Christ never rejected the sacrifices. He did fulfill them, though, and yes, they did point to Him.

But nobody takes his life, He lays it down of His own accord.

Jesus sacrifice was once for all. It is finished, a done deal.

There is no more need for any other sacrifice and His is not a continuing one.

He is not now being sacrificed forever in heaven. In heaven He is now seated at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us and waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool.

The Holy Spirit in Scripture tells us plainly what Jesus is doing in heaven, and it's not eternally being slain.

His death is done, the payment made. There's no longer any more need for any sacrifices.

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Acts 5:30-31 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Ephesians 1:15-23 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Hebrews 1:1-4 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Hebrews 9:11-17 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.

Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10:8-14 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 10:15-18 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

7 posted on 11/09/2014 12:58:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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Many Protestants thus while acknowledging both the reality regarding the perfection of the Sacrifice at Calvary, and also acknowledging the reality that Christ abolished the Old Testament sacrifices of the Jews, end up at a false conclusion. They conclude that because the Sacrifice of Calvary is perfect and because it is thus the fulfillment of all the Old Testament sacrifices, that Christ himself abolished the need for any more sacrifices. This is clearly not true.

There's a reason we come to that conclusion...It's because that's what God says...

Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And that's exactly what your religion tries to do to Jesus...You've got Jesus suffering not once a year but every day, all day and night long, in violation of what God says...

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

There is no real presence in your biscuit...You do not see Jesus in the Eucharist...You can not because he sits on the right hand of the Father...Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

And verse 28 tells you that you WILL NOT see him until he appears the 2nd time...<

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

One time, for all

WE ARE SANCTIFIED...

Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

There's your priests again...Continually trying to offer Jesus as a sacrifice...How can you not see how ridiculous that is??? Did Peter offer Jesus as a sacrifice??? How about Paul??? Of course they didn't...But now your priests can offer Jesus as a sacrifice??? Don't kid yourself...

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

We Christians ARE SANCTIFIED, MADE PERFECT...Don't believe it??? Take it up with God...He said it...

8 posted on 11/09/2014 2:13:55 AM PST by Iscool
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How many times does Paul call Christ “a priest forever of the order of Melchizedek”?

Not a continuing sacrifice you say? A priest forever, folks, means a priest forever. It doesn’t mean a priest once in 33 A.D. and then sit back and rest on your laurels for eternity. A priest’s job is to offer sacrifice. If Christ is a priest forever, then He is offering forever.

And the manner of His offering Paul specifies in the reference to Melchizedek. What did Melchizedek offer? Bread and wine.

So we have Christ offering an eternal sacrifice that somehow involves a mystical linkage between the cross and bread and wine. Now we go back to the Institution narratives and remember that Our Lord Himself made this explicit link at the Last Supper when he held aloft bread and wine and called it His Body and Blood, the very blood that would be shed the next day.


9 posted on 11/09/2014 4:28:05 AM PST by Claud
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To: walkinginthedesert
 
 
 It is after all only through Divine Revelation that we can know what sacrifices are pleasing to God.
 
HMMMmmm...
 
 
 
 

 
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.


John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 

 

10 posted on 11/09/2014 4:33:49 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Everything you stated Is biblically correct and theologically sound. While scripture makes it abundantly clear that a sacrifice of bloof is absolutely necessary for the forgiveness of sin; scripture, it also says that the "once for all (time)" blood sacrifice offered by the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross at Calvary was and is all sufficient to pay for the sin of all mankind for all of human history. Romans 4:25 clearly states the resurrection of Christ from the dead is the penultimate proof that God the Father was and is completely satisfied with and by that one, all sufficient, never to be repeated sacrifice of Christ on Calvary.

There is no longer any sacrifice for sin, God's wrath against sin is totally appeased by the propitiation of Christ and the work of salvation through the one blood sacrifice of Chrust is complete and finished as is indicated by the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ is now "seated at the right hand of God", thus indicating a completed work.

Christ has totally fulfilled all of the righteous requirements of the Olt Testament Law, There is no longer a need for any additional sacrifices, including the so-called "sacrifice of the Mass" or any other supposed sacrifice for sin. Neither is there any longer a need for any so called "priest" to act as a mediator or to offer sacrifice in behalf of any man because the Lord Jesus Christ alone is our "Great High Priest", seated in heaven at the right hand of God, and He alone "ever lives to make intercession for us"

there is no linger any need for "mass", or priest, or for any sacrifice for sin because Jesus paid for it all and accomplished it all through His one sacrifice at Calvary. Everything and anything else is a lie of man and Satan, designed to deceive mankind in order to prevent them from coming to saving faith in Christ by Grace alone through faith alone, totally apart from works

11 posted on 11/09/2014 4:35:12 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Deliver us from this evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: walkinginthedesert; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
Fr. Chad Ripperger states “Because Mass is itself the same sacrifice at Calvary which is made presented to us in the Mass, it is the font of all graces. Redemption and the obliteration of sin was the result of the Holy Sacrifice at Calvary. The same thing happens during each Mass that we attend, it is as if Christ’s blood was being shed again and being offered up, but this time in an un-bloody way, yet the same graces are granted.”

Blasphemy. While obedience to Christ does bring grace, yet no ritual provides the sacrifice for the redemption and the obliteration of sin, but it can commemorate it, and rather than the Catholic form of endo-cannibalism being the "source and summit of the Christian faith" around which all else revolved, in which "the work of our redemption is accomplished," officiated by distinctively titled "priests," it is only manifestly described at length once in the life of the church , and which is interpretive of the gospels.

And in which the Lord's supper "shows/proclaims" His death by the members unselfishly sharing a communal meal together, not separately or shaming them that have not - which the Corinthians were guilty of, and thus were told that they really were not eating the Lord's supper. (1Cor. 11:17-34)

Moreover, NT pastors do not engage in any unique sacerdotal functions, nor are even shown once dispensing the Lord's supper, nor is dispensing any food part of their ordained function. (Acts 6:3,4) Thus the Holy Spirit never uses the distinctive word for "priest" (hiereus) for any ordained NT pastor under Christ, Nor does the words presbuteros (senior/elder) or episkopos (superintendent/overseer) which He does use for NT pastors mean "priest." Presbuteros or episkopos do not denote a unique sacrificial function, and hiereus (as archiereus=chief priests) is used in distinction to elders in such places as Lk. 22:66; Acts 22:5. See here for more.

Catholic writer Greg Dues in "Catholic Customs & Traditions, a popular guide," states,

"Priesthood as we know it in the Catholic church was unheard of during the first generation of Christianity, because at that time priesthood was still associated with animal sacrifices in both the Jewish and pagan religions."

"When the Eucharist came to be regarded as a sacrifice [after Rome's theology], the role of the bishop took on a priestly dimension. By the third century bishops were considered priests. Presbyters or elders sometimes substituted for the bishop at the Eucharist. By the end of the third century people all over were using the title 'priest' (hierus in Greek and sacerdos in Latin) for whoever presided at the Eucharist." (http://books.google.com/books?id=ajZ_aR-VXn8C&source=gbs_navlinks_s)

Instead of submitting to the Holy Spirit's choice of words, the Catholic titular use of hiereus/priest for presbyteros/elder is defended by the use of an etymological fallacy , since "priest" etymologically is derived from presbyteros due to imposed functional equivalence.

And instead of the "Eucharist" being said to nourish the church, as the Lord's words which remained after His ascension are spirit, and life, and by which one obtains life in himself and then "lives by" Christ as He lived by the Father, Jn. 6:57,63; Acts 10:43; 15:7-9; cf. Mt. 4:4; Jn. 4:34) so it is by hearing and believing God's word that one is nourished. And thus the preaching of it, and prayer, are the primary ordained ordained functions of NT pastors, as seen by their commission (Mk. 16:16) and own words (Acts 6:4) and instructions.

"If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained." (1 Timothy 4:6)

"And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified." (Acts 20:32)

In contrast, the idea that one obtains spiritual life in himself by literally eating anything is utterly foreign to holy Scripture. In fact, only the metaphorical view of Jn. 6:53,54ff is Scriptural and is consistent the use of such language by John and the rest of Scripture.

But the idea of obtaining spiritual life by literally eating flesh is not foreign to paganism.

Alpers and Lindenbaum’s research conclusively demonstrated that kuru [neurological disorder] spread easily and rapidly in the Fore people due to their endocannibalistic funeral practices, in which relatives consumed the bodies of the deceased to return the “life force” of the deceased to the hamlet, a Fore societal subunit. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_%28disease%29#Transmission

Moreover,

"the custom of eating bread sacramentally as the body of a god was practised by the Aztecs before the discovery and conquest of Mexico by the Spaniards." - http://www.bartleby.com/196/121.html

All of which has been shown before by the grace of God, with more detail.

12 posted on 11/09/2014 4:55:14 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Claud

He’s the PRIEST forever.

The priest is the one offering the sacrifice, not the sacrifice itself.

So the teaching that Jesus is perpetually the sacrifice is in error.


13 posted on 11/09/2014 5:29:31 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Claud; Iscool

The blood was shed. Past tense.

It’s gone now.

For the Catholic church to claim it’s offering a bloodless sacrifice is silly.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

So a bloodless sacrifice is useless.


14 posted on 11/09/2014 5:31:09 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: walkinginthedesert

I Corinthians 11:29


15 posted on 11/09/2014 5:53:28 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Claud; metmom; Iscool; Jmouse007
Not a continuing sacrifice you say? A priest forever, folks, means a priest forever. It doesn’t mean a priest once in 33 A.D. and then sit back and rest on your laurels for eternity. A priest’s job is to offer sacrifice. If Christ is a priest forever, then He is offering forever.

Wrong, and clearly so which you could see if you read what metmom posted, and a little more of Hebrews.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Hebrews 10:11-14)

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. (John 19:30)

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often , as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many ; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:24-28)

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin . (Hebrews 10:18)

The priest always stood to minister, (Dt. 18:5) but Christ having "offered one sacrifice for sins for ever," sat down."

Thus by His sinless shed blood, His brethren have "boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus," (Hebrews 10:19)

And now the Lord's priestly function is that of praying as the only Heavenly intercessor btwn God and man. (1Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:25)

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:15-16)

Thanks be to God!

In clear contrast is the pagan doctrine of Rome, which teaches ,

"...the Mass is the same Sacrifice as that of the Cross, to continue on earth until the end of time...The Mass, therefore, no less than the Cross, is expiatory for sins; but now the expiation is experienced by those for whom, on the Cross, the title of God’s mercy had been gained.

We, therefore, confess that the sacrifice of the Mass is one and the same sacrifice with that of the cross ...That the holy sacrifice of the Mass, therefore, is not only a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, or a commemoration of the sacrifice of the cross; but also a sacrifice of propitiation, by which God is appeased and rendered propitious , the pastor will teach as a dogma defined by the unerring authority of a General Council of the Church (The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Published by Command of Pope Pius the Fifth (New York: Christian Press, 1905), pp. 173-175).

Thus Hardon reiterates the brainwashed imagination that the Mass is,

a true and proper act of sacrifice. Christ, the eternal High Priest, in an unbloody way offers himself a most acceptable Victim to the eternal Father, as he did upon the Cross . - The Question and Answer Catholic Catechism by Fr John Hardon

Moreover, if the "health food" claims made for the Eucharist fell under the FDA jurisdiction then they could be fined for false advertising.

16 posted on 11/09/2014 5:55:49 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom

What does past tense mean to God? What does “gone now” mean to God? You are using terms that only apply to us limited humans and mean nothing to God.

God is outside time and space. Calvary may be in the past for us but it is—in a sense—still present to His Eternity.

This is the mystical reality that the Holy Eucharist touches upon.

At the Mass Calvary is present again. Not that it *happens* again as a historical event, but that God in His ineffable Divinity opens up a portal, so to speak, to connect those of us in the pews at that moment to the Hill of Golgotha on that wondrous Good Friday.

By “bloodless” sacrifice we mean that there is no *new* shedding of blood. But of course, there was already a shedding of blood as Calvary as you correctly pointed out.

What the Mass does principally is unite the sacrifice at the modern altar with the sacrifice on the Cross. And that’s exactly what Christ said at the Last Supper—”This IS my body, this IS my blood”. It is a real and true sacrifice because of its connection to Calvary.


17 posted on 11/09/2014 6:10:26 AM PST by Claud
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To: daniel1212
These threads always result in Scripture vs. Tradition.

I will not be found on the tradition side, for this is what Christ chastised the Pharisees for!

Mar 7:13 "making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do."

If scripture clearly contradicts tradition, and tradition has no support other than contorted logic and repetition, then go with scripture, not "Tradition". Scripture is plain in this matter, as mentioned above, but re-quoted here:

Hebrew 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

one sacrifice...sat down...one offering. Scripture is plain.

18 posted on 11/09/2014 7:08:29 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: daniel1212; walkinginthedesert; Claud
Compare scripture versus "Tradition":

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

QUOTE: For this reason it is completely false to believe as many Protestants do, that we somehow "re-sacrifice" Christ at each Mass. Rather we simply offer up the same sacrifice at Calvary, which is re-presented in a real and literal way during the Mass. The Sacrifice at Calvary was so perfect, that it is Eternal and with no end.

Plain, simple, obvious, clear-cut. The twisting of "Tradition" above smacks of Gnosticism.

19 posted on 11/09/2014 7:21:23 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: walkinginthedesert; jimmyray
A Biblical Walk Through the Mass by Edward Sri (Book Review) [Ecumenical]

A Biblical Walk Through the Mass (Book): Understanding What We Say and Do In The Liturgy

20 posted on 11/09/2014 7:39:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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